However I spend a lot of time, we’re talking about product management for one main reason. It’s because there’s plenty of people to talk about design and really a lot of people that talk about engineering but almost nobody talks about the product. And I think that’s a big hole and it’s why well I make no secret of this there. I think the biggest problem in our industry is that we have capable engineers and capable designers but we often don’t have a capable product manager. That’s a big problem in our industry, it’s not because people aren’t smart or anything like that it’s that they haven’t been trained, nobody taught them how to do product